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RIM Major [Jun. 25th, 2007|09:03 pm]
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Hi, Im new to this community and I just had a few really blunt questions to anyone who is or knows someone majoring in the Recording Industry. I plan to go into the music business subcore. It doesnt matter to me if I get a job in Nasvhille/New York/LA or if I come back home and start a business, so my questions are:

1. Is it really necessary to get a RIM degree in order to work at a label or would someone with a management/marketing degree be in just as much competition with you? If that's the case then I may just go with marketing..

2. How are the internships?

3. What else can you really do with this degre other than pray for a job at a record label or try to help your band friends further their careers (that was a joke)

I dont want to be negative, but I'm 23 and really had my heart set on coming to mtsu for this, but after reading all the negative comments toward anyone who even MENTIONS going into this degree I'm starting to have second thoughts...this was something I really looked forward to and knew I would be good at (considering my last major was business and made A's in almost every class)...so could someone, ANYONE give some kind of positive outlook on this major...or is everyone else just being honest??

[User Picture]From: product_of_you
2007-06-26 03:44 am (UTC)
Hey, I'm a RIM major. I will be a senior this next semester, but will have to go possibly another semester since the program was such a bitch to get into.

It is a bit hard for me to answer you questions because it is obvious you are going the business route, while I am production and tech.

But don't let all the negativeness get to you. You will have an upper hand with a degree, but it should be pretty obvious that anything in the music business will be hard to get into. It is mostly about who you know, especially on the business side. I just recommend joining as many orgainzations as you can, making buddies with the professors because a lot of them have some decent connections, and keep your ears and eyes open for any opportunities.

The internships are great, that is one of the major reasons I transferred to MTSU from U of Memphis.

I can't help you much with #1 and 3, since I'm not on the business side.

Any thing else you want to talk about, just ask. My name is Steven, I've got a myspace at www.myspace.com/getupkid and a facebook at http://mtsu.facebook.com/profile.php?id=38411872
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From: glyph250
2007-06-26 01:17 pm (UTC)
1. It's really hard to convince someone to give you a RIM job.

Hyuck, hyuck, hyuck.

Seriously, though--all the kids I know who did make it into that field either spent six years doing it or knew somebody. If you have contacts in the field (but I'm assuming you don't, because you would have asked them these questions if you did) you might not need a RIM degree, but as it is there are so many candidates for these jobs that I doubt they'd pass up one who'd spent four years (minimum) preparing themselves for this job and no other for someone who got a degree in business in general.

2. Depends on if you like making coffee and kissing the ass of the talent.

3. There are lots of jobs out there that just want people to have a degree in college.

I have a question for you, though: why do you want so badly to dick over bands? Because as I understand it, from friends of mine who got into the program and then got right back out of it, there are two emphases you can get at MTSU:

Recording tech, in which you leech off a band's original sound and try to make them sound as much like Nickelback as possible (unless you start your own label).

Management, in which you leech off a band's money and try to force them to give you all rights to all their music (again, unless you start your own label).
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From: brandilynn_
2007-06-26 02:52 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your response, although I never asked why you thought I was a cold moneysucking vampire. See, there is a difference in answering questions and passing judgement. So to answer your question:

I'm a singer...when I was younger I was signed to a phony independent label and had all my money taken from me, Ive been dicked over plenty...believe me, I KNOW what its like to be on that side...but making in the music business is a lot harder than getting a degree in it, so if I cant be onstage, at least I can have something to do behind the scenes. And I think someone who is so familiar with that side has a lot to offer bands whereas snotty assholes who want to get rich and have no sympathy or even an ear for music "dick bands over". So theres your response to that.

But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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From: glyph250
2007-06-26 06:42 pm (UTC)
I'm not passing judgment on you. I'm passing judgment on the field, based on what a lot of my (disillusioned) friends have told me about their experiences.

I don't think you're a cold, money-sucking vampire. On the contrary, I think you're a warm, impassioned and creative person who wants to make a positive impact on the music industry.

What I'm saying is that the INDUSTRY is full of cold, money-sucking vampires, and that you won't last fifteen minutes in it if you don't do exactly what they say. What I'm saying is that IF you get a job in that field, a benevolent and impassioned person like yourself will be miserable.

But thanks for reading my reply before getting your panties in a wad. I was just trying to spare you some heartbreak.
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From: glyph250
2007-06-26 06:46 pm (UTC)
Upon re-read, I realized that it would be pretty easy to think I actually do consider you a money-sucking vampire. Sorry. I'm a little grumpier in the mornings than I sometimes realize.

Seriously, though: if you want to do good for bands and artists, this is not the right industry for you. You'll be fired in a heartbeat if you try.
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[User Picture]From: product_of_you
2007-07-04 09:17 am (UTC)
That is total crap.

Not everyone has to be a jackass to succeed.
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-07-06 01:45 am (UTC)
I agree with you. The other poster, he has too much bitterness in his view. He's got a lot of good points, but he's not being objective enough.
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[User Picture]From: lennalie
2007-06-27 07:04 pm (UTC)
I'm a senior protech major... and I'm not gonna lie, this is a hard industry. I used to be an advisor for some Business kids, so I know a bit about that side too. I think you would definitely benefit from a RIM degree, if for no other reason than the contacts you will meet through school. It is a good, thorough program. You will be taking introductory classes on many aspects of the industry, even the ones you don't want to focus on. So yeah, there are a lot of people out there with your dream job that don't have RIM degrees, but in my opinion it's a great thing to have.

The internships are probably your only hope for getting a job if you're not insanely well-connected (and I'm not either). You need to be prepared to work your way up... you may not be doing exactly what you want at first.

I don't want to discourage you. I've felt that way many times over the past four years, but the reality is- you really have to love what you're doing, and be committed. It's not going to be easy, but I think it's well worth the time and effort.

I got your message, and I'll go add you. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions... like I said, I used to be an advisor, and I'm always happy to help. :)
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[User Picture]From: moondream
2007-07-13 06:02 am (UTC)
I'm a RIM/Music Business major. I started out majoring in Business at my old school but switched to RIM when I transferred in. For me it wasn't too hard to get into the program.

I was really excited about majoring in Music Business, but now I'm seriously considering switching to Economics.

I haven't had an internship so I guess I really don't have the best point to be made since I haven't had the real experience yet. Though from what I gather, you could get a "music business" job with just a plain ole business degree. With the classes I've taken, I feel like I could be more prepared for working at a record label or for a concert promoter (just a couple of job examples) if I skip out on the music business classes and take the basic classes in the business college. I don't really know how to explain it any better, but I personally feel that I would have a better chance at getting one of those jobs by majoring in one of the regular business programs, plus if I don't end up doing something in the music industry...there's still that business degree.

On a more positive note, I think our Music Business program has a pretty high educational standard. I do put a lot of effort into my work and end up spending more time studying than I realize I do, but I had a hard time keeping my grades up this past semester. They really want you to know the stuff inside-out, backwards,and forwards (and sadly I only had the inside and forwards parts down, heh). I think a lot of employers in the industry know and appreciate that when it comes to hiring MTSU students.

On one last mote, getting a class schedule worked out is kind of a pain. I have no clue when I can graduate because each semester I have a hard time getting into classes because they're all filled up and also overlap with other classes. But I had that problem when I was at my other school too, so I guess that's nothing specifically dealing with the program.
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